the fiscal cliff dominated the sunday talk shows. senator dick durbin on "meet the press" yesterday saying no deal on the debt without a tax hike on the wealthy. >> i can tell you i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it but we need to solve the problem. we cannot allow their reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. >> and senator bob corker argues it might be better to agree with what the president wants to do now on taxes, and then fight later on spending. >> if we were to pass, for instance, raising the top two rates and that's it, all of a sudden we do have the leverage of the debt ceiling and we haven't given that up. >> joining us now house majority whip kevin mccarthy. not everybody, i don't know, depends on where you're sitting i guess, congressman, "the wall street journal" says republicans shouldn't be negotiating with themselves. they ought to be talking to spoorker boehner. is it helpful? >> is it helpful what the others are saying? look, is raising the rates going to solve the pro